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Post by Snoogans4Jay on Apr 20, 2009 17:53:24 GMT -5
It has been 12 years since the Columbine shootings. I have tried to think of a song that would be appropriate to play in memory.......RIP guys  "Such amusing fiction these stories they tell. It always comes to this. If they REALLY had a desire to live, they would have been more aware of how easy it is to die, would've chosen their actions more wisely. In these moments, you can tell they're not regretting having hurt you. They regret doing it to your face."
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Post by johnnysgirl on Apr 20, 2009 20:48:37 GMT -5
We`ve had our own Columbine in Argentina.. in a secondary school too... the guy was treated like shit and was always demanded to ge good grades by his parents...
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Post by Snoogans4Jay on Apr 25, 2009 10:29:51 GMT -5
We`ve had our own Columbine in Argentina.. in a secondary school too... the guy was treated like shit and was always demanded to ge good grades by his parents... Some day maybe people will pull their heads out of their asses, realize that emotional abuse IS abuse, and stop blaming the victims. In cases like these the murdered themselves often orchestrated their own demise by being mean spirited and cruel to the person that ends up taking them out-----or were just in the wrong place at the time some poor kid snaps after years of torment. |
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Post by Shan on Jun 27, 2009 12:08:33 GMT -5
This is a tired argument, there is no evidence they were ever bullied by anyone.
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Post by Snoogans4Jay on Aug 10, 2009 2:56:17 GMT -5
This is a tired argument, there is no evidence they were ever bullied by anyone. I would be interested in hearing more of your opinion on this one Shan |
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Post by Shan on Aug 10, 2009 3:00:51 GMT -5
This is a tired argument, there is no evidence they were ever bullied by anyone. I would be interested in hearing more of your opinion on this one Shan Would you really be? Because I don't think so. Look at the facts Liz. Those two kids were not bullied in fact Eric Harris was pretty damn popular. They were just angry kids. I don't blame the music. I don't really blame the parents. But of all the places I don't put the blame I most especially don't put it on the victims. I am not sure I am going to continue to post on your cute little board but I do know this: If you REALLY truly want to argue points you had better become more informed than you now are. |
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Post by Snoogans4Jay on Aug 11, 2009 14:57:59 GMT -5
I would be interested in hearing more of your opinion on this one Shan Would you really be? Because I don't think so. Look at the facts Liz. Those two kids were not bullied in fact Eric Harris was pretty damn popular. They were just angry kids. I don't blame the music. I don't really blame the parents. But of all the places I don't put the blame I most especially don't put it on the victims. I am not sure I am going to continue to post on your cute little board but I do know this: If you REALLY truly want to argue points you had better become more informed than you now are. Yes but you should try not to be so pissy when you reply and just make your point  I tend to feel like JTHM in that many victims had some part in creating their killer. I think this is the case here in large part. |
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Post by Shan on Aug 11, 2009 21:50:44 GMT -5
Would you really be? Because I don't think so. Look at the facts Liz. Those two kids were not bullied in fact Eric Harris was pretty damn popular. They were just angry kids. I don't blame the music. I don't really blame the parents. But of all the places I don't put the blame I most especially don't put it on the victims. I am not sure I am going to continue to post on your cute little board but I do know this: If you REALLY truly want to argue points you had better become more informed than you now are. Yes but you should try not to be so pissy when you reply and just make your point I tend to feel like JTHM in that many victims had some part in creating their killer. I think this is the case here in large part. You are quoting a comic book? Look. I know you think no one really reads this stuff but you have teenagers on your board. I get the fact that the board is for fun and "no big deal" to you, but you are condoning school shootings? You AGREE with the act? You can't be saying that. Liz there is NEVER a good reason to walk into a school armed with shotguns and blow people away. You can call me "pissy", a dick, an asshole, whatever, but saying that it is okay to kill kids in school is just irresponsible and a crazy statement beyond belief. You need to clarify your statements and get serious here. |
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Post by Snoogans4Jay on Aug 13, 2009 13:56:15 GMT -5
Yes but you should try not to be so pissy when you reply and just make your point I tend to feel like JTHM in that many victims had some part in creating their killer. I think this is the case here in large part. You are quoting a comic book? Look. I know you think no one really reads this stuff but you have teenagers on your board. I get the fact that the board is for fun and "no big deal" to you, but you are condoning school shootings? You AGREE with the act? You can't be saying that. Liz there is NEVER a good reason to walk into a school armed with shotguns and blow people away. You can call me "pissy", a dick, an asshole, whatever, but saying that it is okay to kill kids in school is just irresponsible and a crazy statement beyond belief. You need to clarify your statements and get serious here. No, I don't condone murder. I do however UNDERSTAND how they could be that mad. I don't think anyone can understand unless they have been bullied every day of all 12 years of school. You CAN push a perfectly normal person to the point of just not caring and wanting to take some of the hurters out with them. Like Jhonen said at the beginning of this thread, "they are NOT regretting having hurt you, they regret doing it to your FACE". So YES I understand the "angry kids" better than I understand the victim. Sometimes people get tired of being VICTIMIZED. There is a difference in understanding and condoning. |
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Post by Shan on Jun 10, 2011 11:07:47 GMT -5
Okay, I moved the two threads that I think could cause you the most trouble. I didn't delete them because I wanted to say this first: IF any crazy kid were to see these posts and make either of them the deciding factor in deciding to carry out something crazy you would be in big trouble. I know you believe that these boards have no accountability but I don't share that belief. Be safe Lizzie and keep this kind of thing off of public forums. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the killers pictures and then hear that song underneath and get what you are saying. Even if you don't "condone" it. As an afterthought I don't think Lydon would want his name to be part of anything like that either. Up to you- I didn't delete them. If you put them back though you are accepting what may be very dire and unpleasant consequences at some future date.
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Post by bromleyboy on Jun 15, 2011 7:22:32 GMT -5
You CAN push a perfectly normal person to the point of just not caring and wanting to take some of the hurters out with them. Quite agree, and while I don't condone murder I have always felt that Eric and Dylan were the real victims in all of this. I was bullied all through my childhood (and sexually abused while we're on the topic) and all I could think of for many years was taking an axe to the bastards. I am of the belief that these two kids had no other means to carry out their revenge except for what felt right to them, which in this case is murdering the scum who bullied them. The sorrow and hate a person can carry around just for not being allowed to fit in without daily hassle is one of the worst feelings a person can ever experience. Fear, desperation, humiliation... it all got too much to bear. Those poor boys reached their limits and had to retaliate by going all the way. The looks on their faces in those photographs is heartbreaking. Two good looking boys with their whole lives ahead of them driven to committing such an unspeakable act. They had the capacity to love and were shit on. In fact, Eric warned one of the teachers when he arrived at the school by saying "please go home, I like you." What an unfortunate mess! If only people had kept an eye out for them things may have been different. |
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Post by Snoogans4Jay on Jun 18, 2011 23:31:59 GMT -5
Okay, I moved the two threads that I think could cause you the most trouble. I didn't delete them because I wanted to say this first: IF any crazy kid were to see these posts and make either of them the deciding factor in deciding to carry out something crazy you would be in big trouble. I know you believe that these boards have no accountability but I don't share that belief. Be safe Lizzie and keep this kind of thing off of public forums. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the killers pictures and then hear that song underneath and get what you are saying. Even if you don't "condone" it. As an afterthought I don't think Lydon would want his name to be part of anything like that either. Up to you- I didn't delete them. If you put them back though you are accepting what may be very dire and unpleasant consequences at some future date. I understand your feelings, but I just don't think anybody has said "go do something crazy". This entire thread is about understanding not condoning. |
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Post by Snoogans4Jay on Jun 19, 2011 3:38:47 GMT -5
You CAN push a perfectly normal person to the point of just not caring and wanting to take some of the hurters out with them. Quite agree, and while I don't condone murder I have always felt that Eric and Dylan were the real victims in all of this. I was bullied all through my childhood (and sexually abused while we're on the topic) and all I could think of for many years was taking an axe to the bastards. I am of the belief that these two kids had no other means to carry out their revenge except for what felt right to them, which in this case is murdering the scum who bullied them. The sorrow and hate a person can carry around just for not being allowed to fit in without daily hassle is one of the worst feelings a person can ever experience. Fear, desperation, humiliation... it all got too much to bear. Those poor boys reached their limits and had to retaliate by going all the way. The looks on their faces in those photographs is heartbreaking. Two good looking boys with their whole lives ahead of them driven to committing such an unspeakable act. They had the capacity to love and were shit on. In fact, Eric warned one of the teachers when he arrived at the school by saying "please go home, I like you." What an unfortunate mess! If only people had kept an eye out for them things may have been different. Well said  |
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Post by Snoogans4Jay on Jun 26, 2011 7:39:38 GMT -5
I have invited my detractors from two other boards to this one and I sincerely HOPE they will post here and debate. Come on now let us talk. Tell me what makes you so uncomfortable with my views. You will NOT be edited or deleted on THIS board.
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Post by Snoogans4Jay on Jul 6, 2011 17:52:11 GMT -5
I must admit to being somewhat disappointed that no one has replied that I have invited. I guess it is a different thing to debate an issue on a board that actually WILL discuss the issue fully. I would not put an end to the thread and I don't give a rat's hairy ass who agrees with me but it IS good to see that there ARE those out there that feel as strongly as I do on this issue. |
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