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Post by M!$H on Feb 27, 2008 16:54:17 GMT -5
 Regarding the famous Bundy quote, he said that during a series of interviews he gave from the Starke, FL prison to Dr. James Dobson. Bundy talked about his upbringing, why he thought he chose the life of a serial killer, he made the we are your sons, your husbands, comment, and so on. One of those interviews was actually given the afternoon before he went to the electric chair. It seems that so many of these serial killers wind up down here in FL from other places - Bundy traveled all the way from Washington state via Utah, Andrew Cunanan (the Versace killer) was from California, Aileen Wuornos was born in Michigan, Danny Rolling was from Louisiana. None of these bastards think they'll ever get caught or they'd think twice about committing their dastardly deeds here. Florida has the death penalty and isn't afraid to use it. Actually Bundy traveled to Florida in the hopes of execution if caught. He knew he himself could never stop. Mashrum, the quote is from Edwin Kemper........his was an interesting case.....in American Psycho one of the quotes the fictional character of Pat Bateman attributes to Ed Gein is from Kemper in reality ...spooky but witty character To Kathy (I was too lazy to find the original post, my bad lol): It's about major roadways. A lot of serial killers lurk along the I-5 corridor in Oregon and California...there were a few killers in California who would find stranded motorists in CA along I-5 and kill them. Florida seems to be a hotspot, but so do California and Oregon. (Oregon had Green River Killer, who admited to almost 91 killings, but only 43 were proven.  ) If there is a major roadway in any state, it is going to be riddled with SOME kind of criminal behavior, spec. if a lot of people live around it and travel on it (esp. out of staters) To Mashrum: I read about Chikatilo on crimelibrary.com. I knew of a book about him, but I hadn't looked into buying it yet. I am just begining to look into compiling a list about crime to start reading - I don't want to really get into those uber dramatic "true crime" novels. I was serious books... so if anyone has any suggestions, PM me. If anyone is interested in crime, I recommend that website, crimelibrary.com. Some of the articles are kind of fluff, but they document a WIDE variety of crime cases - from mass murderers, to serial killers, to everything. It's very intense and it's where I've learned most of what I know of crime in America and elsewhere. That's where I learned about Mary Bell - the youngest serial killer in history at 10 years old. A very sad little girl, I gotta say. |
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Post by kathy on Feb 29, 2008 19:34:27 GMT -5
To Kathy (I was too lazy to find the original post, my bad lol): It's about major roadways. A lot of serial killers lurk along the I-5 corridor in Oregon and California...there were a few killers in California who would find stranded motorists in CA along I-5 and kill them. Florida seems to be a hotspot, but so do California and Oregon. (Oregon had Green River Killer, who admited to almost 91 killings, but only 43 were proven. ) If there is a major roadway in any state, it is going to be riddled with SOME kind of criminal behavior, spec. if a lot of people live around it and travel on it (esp. out of staters) If anyone is interested in crime, I recommend that website, crimelibrary.com. Some of the articles are kind of fluff, but they document a WIDE variety of crime cases - from mass murderers, to serial killers, to everything. It's very intense and it's where I've learned most of what I know of crime in America and elsewhere. That's where I learned about Mary Bell - the youngest serial killer in history at 10 years old. A very sad little girl, I gotta say. Mish - it's true about highways - Interstate 95 (which connects the entire eastern seabord from Maine through FL) hugs the ocean throughout the state. If you ever saw the movie Monster, Charlize Theron (as Wuernos) hitchhikes near the Daytona Beach I95 entrance/exit ramp. Have you ever heard of Ann Rule, the true crime writer who lives in Washington state? She has written so many books which were made into TV movies. She writes a lot about the Pacific Northwest - Washington State, Oregon...I like her books just to read her very interesting descriptions of those areas. Sounds absolutely lovely - about as different as the southeast as a person can get!!! |
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Post by M!$H on Feb 29, 2008 20:37:21 GMT -5
To Kathy (I was too lazy to find the original post, my bad lol): It's about major roadways. A lot of serial killers lurk along the I-5 corridor in Oregon and California...there were a few killers in California who would find stranded motorists in CA along I-5 and kill them. Florida seems to be a hotspot, but so do California and Oregon. (Oregon had Green River Killer, who admited to almost 91 killings, but only 43 were proven. ) If there is a major roadway in any state, it is going to be riddled with SOME kind of criminal behavior, spec. if a lot of people live around it and travel on it (esp. out of staters) If anyone is interested in crime, I recommend that website, crimelibrary.com. Some of the articles are kind of fluff, but they document a WIDE variety of crime cases - from mass murderers, to serial killers, to everything. It's very intense and it's where I've learned most of what I know of crime in America and elsewhere. That's where I learned about Mary Bell - the youngest serial killer in history at 10 years old. A very sad little girl, I gotta say. Mish - it's true about highways - Interstate 95 (which connects the entire eastern seabord from Maine through FL) hugs the ocean throughout the state. If you ever saw the movie Monster, Charlize Theron (as Wuernos) hitchhikes near the Daytona Beach I95 entrance/exit ramp. Have you ever heard of Ann Rule, the true crime writer who lives in Washington state? She has written so many books which were made into TV movies. She writes a lot about the Pacific Northwest - Washington State, Oregon...I like her books just to read her very interesting descriptions of those areas. Sounds absolutely lovely - about as different as the southeast as a person can get!!! Of course I've heard of Ann Rule. You know, she worked with Ted Bundy for a little while...at a hotline center or something.  I love her vampire books (she's writing a new one, despite having given up that type of stuff after finding God... glad to see her back in her genre though) & I love any writer who brings attention to the Pacific Northwest. We get ignored a lot up here because of all the hippies (lol), but the Northwest is pretty much the greatest place in the country and I've been to most of the United States (regionally at least.) We have better salmon! |
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Post by kathy on Mar 1, 2008 3:45:59 GMT -5
Mish - it's true about highways - Interstate 95 (which connects the entire eastern seabord from Maine through FL) hugs the ocean throughout the state. If you ever saw the movie Monster, Charlize Theron (as Wuernos) hitchhikes near the Daytona Beach I95 entrance/exit ramp. Have you ever heard of Ann Rule, the true crime writer who lives in Washington state? She has written so many books which were made into TV movies. She writes a lot about the Pacific Northwest - Washington State, Oregon...I like her books just to read her very interesting descriptions of those areas. Sounds absolutely lovely - about as different as the southeast as a person can get!!! Of course I've heard of Ann Rule. You know, she worked with Ted Bundy for a little while...at a hotline center or something. I love her vampire books (she's writing a new one, despite having given up that type of stuff after finding God... glad to see her back in her genre though) & I love any writer who brings attention to the Pacific Northwest. We get ignored a lot up here because of all the hippies (lol), but the Northwest is pretty much the greatest place in the country and I've been to most of the United States (regionally at least.) We have better salmon! The Pacific Northwest sounds so lovely, very naturally beautiful. I would love to take a trip up there sometime... Regarding Ann, I had the chance to see her at a book-signing she did down here for "And Never Let Her Go" several years back. The scene for that one was the Delaware/Philadelphia area. She also wrote one book that took place in FL - as always, her description of the geography was right on. |
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Post by M!$H on Mar 1, 2008 12:02:50 GMT -5
Of course I've heard of Ann Rule. You know, she worked with Ted Bundy for a little while...at a hotline center or something. I love her vampire books (she's writing a new one, despite having given up that type of stuff after finding God... glad to see her back in her genre though) & I love any writer who brings attention to the Pacific Northwest. We get ignored a lot up here because of all the hippies (lol), but the Northwest is pretty much the greatest place in the country and I've been to most of the United States (regionally at least.) We have better salmon! The Pacific Northwest sounds so lovely, very naturally beautiful. I would love to take a trip up there sometime... Regarding Ann, I had the chance to see her at a book-signing she did down here for "And Never Let Her Go" several years back. The scene for that one was the Delaware/Philadelphia area. She also wrote one book that took place in FL - as always, her description of the geography was right on. She's one of those writers who do a TON of research on a location before she actually begins to write. That's the reason why I like her, I think. Some writers just make stuff up with some basic facts they already know  which is annoying, because they still get published despite their being some inaccuracies in their setting (which editors don't fix.) Arrrg. |
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Post by mashrum on Mar 10, 2008 7:56:46 GMT -5
Kathy, thanks for the info about Bundy! Florida seems to attract these psychos as well as California and New York. It is interesting that the most cases like that happen in the richest and the most developed countries like USA, Britain, Germany etc. But if all policemen in Florida are like Horatio and his CSI crew, you don't have to worry, cause they seem to always land the criminal in jail... (and the Oscar for the silliest joke goes to - Mashrum!!) Snoogs, thank you for the info about that quote - I've read a bit about Kemper - really scary. He had a very Norman-like relationship with his mother, didn't he? He's also way too tall... Mish, I've also used crimelibrary when I was doing my essay - it's trully a good site (it usually doesn't have those "shocking-style" articles like in newspapers, which I found kinda cheap). If you're interested in Jack the Ripper's case, they say www.casebook.org/index.html is a pretty good site. |
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Post by Snoogans4Jay on Mar 10, 2008 8:20:55 GMT -5
Kathy, thanks for the info about Bundy! Florida seems to attract these psychos as well as California and New York. It is interesting that the most cases like that happen in the richest and the most developed countries like USA, Britain, Germany etc. But if all policemen in Florida are like Horatio and his CSI crew, you don't have to worry, cause they seem to always land the criminal in jail... (and the Oscar for the silliest joke goes to - Mashrum!!) Snoogs, thank you for the info about that quote - I've read a bit about Kemper - really scary. He had a very Norman-like relationship with his mother, didn't he? He's also way too tall... Mish, I've also used crimelibrary when I was doing my essay - it's trully a good site (it usually doesn't have those "shocking-style" articles like in newspapers, which I found kinda cheap). If you're interested in Jack the Ripper's case, they say www.casebook.org/index.html is a pretty good site. I am always very interested in these cases, it was why I became a Psyche nurse. Just way interesting. Bundy is such a case study, when you really look at his first victim at age 15 up until the end when he chose a state that would execute him. He diagnosed himself.......Sociopathic Personality Disorder. This diagnoses begins with RAD kids, goes into Conduct Disorder, and on. A good name for Psychopath. However, what is most interesting to me is the Schizophrenic. In the hospital I work we have a very nice looking intelligent classically trained pianist who someday I think will be in the news along with Bundy, Kemper, and Dahmer. That disease is so sad and scary. |
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Post by mashrum on Mar 10, 2008 13:46:16 GMT -5
Kathy, thanks for the info about Bundy! Florida seems to attract these psychos as well as California and New York. It is interesting that the most cases like that happen in the richest and the most developed countries like USA, Britain, Germany etc. But if all policemen in Florida are like Horatio and his CSI crew, you don't have to worry, cause they seem to always land the criminal in jail... (and the Oscar for the silliest joke goes to - Mashrum!!) Snoogs, thank you for the info about that quote - I've read a bit about Kemper - really scary. He had a very Norman-like relationship with his mother, didn't he? He's also way too tall... Mish, I've also used crimelibrary when I was doing my essay - it's trully a good site (it usually doesn't have those "shocking-style" articles like in newspapers, which I found kinda cheap). If you're interested in Jack the Ripper's case, they say www.casebook.org/index.html is a pretty good site. I am always very interested in these cases, it was why I became a Psyche nurse. Just way interesting. Bundy is such a case study, when you really look at his first victim at age 15 up until the end when he chose a state that would execute him. He diagnosed himself.......Sociopathic Personality Disorder. This diagnoses begins with RAD kids, goes into Conduct Disorder, and on. A good name for Psychopath. However, what is most interesting to me is the Schizophrenic. In the hospital I work we have a very nice looking intelligent classically trained pianist who someday I think will be in the news along with Bundy, Kemper, and Dahmer. That disease is so sad and scary. Oh, I didn't know that you actually work in a hospital (silly me  ). How do you like working there? How serious are the cases there? - the schizophrenic is obviously very serious - but are there many patiens with such heavy disorders? I SO agree with you about Schizophrenia - though I don't much about it like you do (I've got just a very basic knowledge of psychology from high school). I'm a bit hypochondrical and every time I read something about it I always worry I might turn crazy like that one day (which may be a crazy thought itself ). Have you ever met someone with catatonic schizophrenia? (I'm sorry if any of my questions are too stupid ) |
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Post by Snoogans4Jay on Mar 16, 2008 18:53:40 GMT -5
I am always very interested in these cases, it was why I became a Psyche nurse. Just way interesting. Bundy is such a case study, when you really look at his first victim at age 15 up until the end when he chose a state that would execute him. He diagnosed himself.......Sociopathic Personality Disorder. This diagnoses begins with RAD kids, goes into Conduct Disorder, and on. A good name for Psychopath. However, what is most interesting to me is the Schizophrenic. In the hospital I work we have a very nice looking intelligent classically trained pianist who someday I think will be in the news along with Bundy, Kemper, and Dahmer. That disease is so sad and scary. Oh, I didn't know that you actually work in a hospital (silly me ). How do you like working there? How serious are the cases there? - the schizophrenic is obviously very serious - but are there many patiens with such heavy disorders? I SO agree with you about Schizophrenia - though I don't much about it like you do (I've got just a very basic knowledge of psychology from high school). I'm a bit hypochondrical and every time I read something about it I always worry I might turn crazy like that one day (which may be a crazy thought itself ). Have you ever met someone with catatonic schizophrenia? (I'm sorry if any of my questions are too stupid ) I have not yet met a catatonic. We do get some very serious cases. Some scary, some just sad. I always diagnose myself This state is soon to start closing the State Hospitals and when that happens I expect we at our hospital to get many many more increasingly serious cases............. er....  .......I think we have gotten a mite off topic of the book and Hannibal |
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Post by M!$H on Mar 16, 2008 20:14:15 GMT -5
Oh, I didn't know that you actually work in a hospital (silly me ). How do you like working there? How serious are the cases there? - the schizophrenic is obviously very serious - but are there many patiens with such heavy disorders? I SO agree with you about Schizophrenia - though I don't much about it like you do (I've got just a very basic knowledge of psychology from high school). I'm a bit hypochondrical and every time I read something about it I always worry I might turn crazy like that one day (which may be a crazy thought itself ). Have you ever met someone with catatonic schizophrenia? (I'm sorry if any of my questions are too stupid ) I have not yet met a catatonic. We do get some very serious cases. Some scary, some just sad. I always diagnose myself This state is soon to start closing the State Hospitals and when that happens I expect we at our hospital to get many many more increasingly serious cases............. er.... .......I think we have gotten a mite off topic of the book and Hannibal Posts are always more interesting when they go off topic.... : ) |
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Post by mashrum on Mar 17, 2008 4:08:55 GMT -5
Thanks for your reply Snoogs! Good luck with your job, I hope it won't bring you much trouble when you get those former state hospital patiens there.
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Post by mashrum on Mar 29, 2008 13:14:19 GMT -5
I know this is also off topic, but does anyone watch the Criminal Minds? I've been ill last week, so I had time to watch TV and I saw a few episodes... There are so many series about special police departments and stuff like that (Bones, Cold Case, CSI Miami/Las Vegas/New York...) now on TV here |
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Post by pinkfuzzysweater on Apr 15, 2008 0:29:33 GMT -5
AHHHH SH*T!!!!!  Mish, I already love you! This is one of my favorite book series of all time.  In HANNIBAL (the film), I wish they would have added Margot into the mix instead of leaving her out. I think it would have been much more satisfying to see Mason murdered by Margot instead of getting pushed into the pig pit by Cordell. That just didn't have that UMMMPPFFFF for me. Also, why DIDN'T they show Clarice running off with Hannibal like it was intended? They had new lives in Argentina! It would have been great if they could have ended HANNIBAL with them as a couple watching the opera or dancing on the terrace, like they had been in the book. THAT was hot! This Clarice in the film wanting to put Hannibal back into prison was disappointing, to say the least. |
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Post by M!$H on Apr 15, 2008 14:07:12 GMT -5
I know this is also off topic, but does anyone watch the Criminal Minds? I've been ill last week, so I had time to watch TV and I saw a few episodes... There are so many series about special police departments and stuff like that (Bones, Cold Case, CSI Miami/Las Vegas/New York...) now on TV here I love CSI and CSI: Miami, along with Law & Order SVU, but I find Bones a little annoying. However, trivia fact, the character of Zack Addy is played by Eric Millegan; I went to school with Eric's brothers, Brantley and Patrick. It's always cool to see someone I know personally on TV. Woot. Anyway. I have heard of Criminal Minds, but I've never gotten a chance to watch it. Is it any good? I love crime shows, even if they can be a little inaccurate (what with the it only takes like 20 minutes for DNA analysis and such...) AHHHH SH*T!!!!! Mish, I already love you! This is one of my favorite book series of all time. In HANNIBAL (the film), I wish they would have added Margot into the mix instead of leaving her out. I think it would have been much more satisfying to see Mason murdered by Margot instead of getting pushed into the pig pit by Cordell. That just didn't have that UMMMPPFFFF for me. Also, why DIDN'T they show Clarice running off with Hannibal like it was intended? They had new lives in Argentina! It would have been great if they could have ended HANNIBAL with them as a couple watching the opera or dancing on the terrace, like they had been in the book. THAT was hot! This Clarice in the film wanting to put Hannibal back into prison was disappointing, to say the least. I SO wish they would have added Margot. She was honestly one of my favorite characters, because that was such a complex relationship between her and Mason. She was so in control after so many years of taking his crap and then she gets to kill him and get what she wants for once. It would have made the film so much better. Clarice in the films is such a different character from book Clarice and so is Hannibal in many ways. They cut out how suave he is and how attracted Clarice is to him. Anthony Hopkins does an amazing job with the character he's given and so many people associate him with the character, but I feel like it's a different character than what's in the books; Hannibal was attractive all the time and while Anthony Hopkins is awesome, he's not necessarily the attractive, suave Hannibal that I think was needed to appropriately flesh out the novels as movies. |
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Post by pinkfuzzysweater on Apr 16, 2008 0:04:39 GMT -5
I know this is also off topic, but does anyone watch the Criminal Minds? I've been ill last week, so I had time to watch TV and I saw a few episodes... There are so many series about special police departments and stuff like that (Bones, Cold Case, CSI Miami/Las Vegas/New York...) now on TV here I love CSI and CSI: Miami, along with Law & Order SVU, but I find Bones a little annoying. However, trivia fact, the character of Zack Addy is played by Eric Millegan; I went to school with Eric's brothers, Brantley and Patrick. It's always cool to see someone I know personally on TV. Woot. Anyway. I have heard of Criminal Minds, but I've never gotten a chance to watch it. Is it any good? I love crime shows, even if they can be a little inaccurate (what with the it only takes like 20 minutes for DNA analysis and such...) AHHHH SH*T!!!!! Mish, I already love you! This is one of my favorite book series of all time. In HANNIBAL (the film), I wish they would have added Margot into the mix instead of leaving her out. I think it would have been much more satisfying to see Mason murdered by Margot instead of getting pushed into the pig pit by Cordell. That just didn't have that UMMMPPFFFF for me. Also, why DIDN'T they show Clarice running off with Hannibal like it was intended? They had new lives in Argentina! It would have been great if they could have ended HANNIBAL with them as a couple watching the opera or dancing on the terrace, like they had been in the book. THAT was hot! This Clarice in the film wanting to put Hannibal back into prison was disappointing, to say the least. I SO wish they would have added Margot. She was honestly one of my favorite characters, because that was such a complex relationship between her and Mason. She was so in control after so many years of taking his crap and then she gets to kill him and get what she wants for once. It would have made the film so much better. Clarice in the films is such a different character from book Clarice and so is Hannibal in many ways. They cut out how suave he is and how attracted Clarice is to him. Anthony Hopkins does an amazing job with the character he's given and so many people associate him with the character, but I feel like it's a different character than what's in the books; Hannibal was attractive all the time and while Anthony Hopkins is awesome, he's not necessarily the attractive, suave Hannibal that I think was needed to appropriately flesh out the novels as movies. It seems actually a relief for the reader when the two pair run off to start their new life down in Argentina. It is suggested the two find a peace and happiness together that they had been denied so long in their lives before they got together. Clarice was actually able to tame Dr. Lecter just using love, no games or tricks. Truly a "beauty and beast" spin on the story. The reader KNOWS how horrible Hannibal has been at times, yet we want to see him safe and happy with Clarice in his new home. How Ironic is that? Margot is also a murderess that I found myself cheering for as the book progressed. I thought she deserved some happiness for herself with her partner and it seems she was able to achieve it thru Mason's death and "donation". I think Thomas Harris really focuses on the fact nobody is completely "black or white", but that individuals are many shades of "grey" instead and I can appreciate that. He points out and characters strengths and flaws equally and lets you view a character in their entirety, and I really enjoy that. Thomas Harris has another book to fulfill in his book writing contract and I can't wait for it. I have a feeling it will be another "prequel" instead of "sequel", being he has stated he is leaving the last Hannibal series at the book HANNIBAL, he said he will not write another sequel after that one.  I love Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter, the man has never acted badly, he can play ANYBODY! But you're right, as far as appearance, I picture Hannibal Lecter "looking" another way. |
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). How do you like working there? How serious are the cases there? - the schizophrenic is obviously very serious - but are there many patiens with such heavy disorders?